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Big!
13th-January-2008, 09:06 PM
Thought provoking questions usually put forth a certain viewpoint, if only because they inherently challenge the accepted one. However, they don't require you to agree with that viewpoint, and a question is just a question. We'll each have different answers to the following, despite their provocative intent.

1. When several million want a given person or party in power, but can never elect them because only Democrats and Republicans will be elected by the other 90 million voters, can they believe that this is a representative government? Would a system that allowed them to send their own representatives to congress be more fair? Is there a way to devise a system which allows any million voters that agree on a candidate to have representation? (There are a couple million libertarians, for example, who never get represented.)

2. It is considered immoral for me to steal from my neighbor Joe in order to send my kids to school, or to paint a picture, or to subsidize my tobacco crop, so how can it be right for me to do it using the government as my agent? Is it moral just because enough of us vote to take Joe's money for something we want to do? Is this "mob rule" okay for any purpose, or only if it is a "good" purpose? If so, who decides what a "good" purpose is?

3. Hitler was elected to parliament, and the ancient Greek parliament, which was more representative than what we have today, voted to kill Socrates for teaching young men to think, so is Democracy the best we can do? If people vote to violate their own rights or those of others, is it okay, just because the majority wants it that way? (Another question: Why did we start calling our constitutional republic a democracy just because it votes for it's leaders?)

4. Since a moral rule like, "don't steal," can lead to immorality, as in not stealing to feed your child when that's the only option, is it possible we need a new way to define morality? Can morality be permanently codified in words, or should we use words only to point at what is beyond the definitions, and alter the definitions as often as we come to understand new things about the world and our role in it?

5. If the laws are recognizing more and more that animals shouldn't be treated cruelly, do animals have "rights," as children do? Children are dependent but with basic rights. If animals are the same, are their "owners" obligated to give them proper food and medical care, and should they be prosecuted if they fail to provide it? Should they be forced to care for pets for life, with no option to have them killed when they become inconvenient?

6. Holy books instruct us to kill people for working on the wrong day (Exodus 31:15), or saying the wrong words (Leviticus 24:17) or because they're homosexual (Leviticus 20:13), and millions believe these are the words of God, so is it possible that religions inherently breed violence, or is it just some religions, or do they only do so if people really take their religions seriously? Most people would condemn a person who said these things, so why do they worship gods who say them? Religion gives us some of the most thought provoking questions.

Source: Steven Gillman (http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/3-22-2006-91655.asp)

Memento Mori
13th-January-2008, 09:09 PM
Q6. Religion is a fairytale, and the source of most of the world's problems. The end.

Hippopotamus
13th-January-2008, 09:33 PM
Q6. Religion is a fairytale, and the source of most of the world's problems. The end.

The problem is that all 'believers' and religions think they know the truth and that everyone else is wrong.

Some dutch comedian said it once (but he was serious) and he was absolutely right, Tombstone will know the video, can't share it because of the language.

For the rest: I 100% agree with you MM!

Noone
13th-January-2008, 10:04 PM
I pretty much agree with MM too on that issue.

anna karina
13th-January-2008, 11:35 PM
for alot of people religion is hope, and for that reason alone i dont think you can dismiss is as 'fairytale'

and to say that "all 'believers' and religions think they know the truth and that everyone else is wrong" is very ignorant of the fact that not all people (in fact very very few i would go as far as saying) who follow a religion are blinded by it, theyre well aware that other points of view exist

Memento Mori
13th-January-2008, 11:43 PM
It is a fairytale. It has an underlying message, put through by the means of fiction.

Big!
15th-January-2008, 12:58 AM
1. When several million want a given person or party in power, but can never elect them because only Democrats and Republicans will be elected by the other 90 million voters, can they believe that this is a representative government? Would a system that allowed them to send their own representatives to congress be more fair? Is there a way to devise a system which allows any million voters that agree on a candidate to have representation? (There are a couple million libertarians, for example, who never get represented.)

Now that is a fascinating question. What about those whose representative receives 49% of the vote and have to suffer being represented by the party which received 50% or 51% of the vote, even. Now this seems like an even greater travesty, imo. Using the numbers from the question, this would be like 45 million people not being represented, 1 million from the question and 44 million from my example. How can this be called a representative government? And how do you fix it?

Big!

c4m
15th-January-2008, 01:25 AM
"Q6. Religion is a fairytale, and the source of most of the world's problems. The end."

No doubt. I think I said it before, but religion, money, and basic greed are the main factors in the fucking up of the world.

Rudolf
15th-January-2008, 06:40 AM
"Q6. Religion is a fairytale, and the source of most of the world's problems. The end."

No doubt. I think I said it before, but religion, money, and basic greed are the main factors in the fucking up of the world.

Woot, Woot, I agree 100%

Big!
1st-March-2008, 05:35 PM
#5 If the laws are recognizing more and more that animals shouldn't be treated cruelly, do animals have "rights," as children do? Children are dependent but with basic rights. If animals are the same, are their "owners" obligated to give them proper food and medical care, and should they be prosecuted if they fail to provide it? Should they be forced to care for pets for life, with no option to have them killed when they become inconvenient?

I believe animals have rights. What about you?

shifted
3rd-March-2008, 07:35 AM
Q6. Religion is a fairytale, and the source of most of the world's problems. The end.

there are a couple people out there, getting very rich every second of every day due to the followers of religions. its great how their ancestors set it up like this.