horrorcore rapper kills 4 people

[kenz]

richard samuel mccrosky, age 20, aspiring horrorcore rapper

news story
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32955138/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

one of his songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKpbIPmIcco

rapper mars speaking of him, says he was weird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFRxegS-91Y


so basically what do you think of this??

when i was younger, in my biased, one dimensional, youthfull mind i would of jumped to hiphops defence and said straight away , "of course its not raps fault, this boy was jus crazy from the start, he would of killed them all anyways"

which to a degree i still beleive, in this case i do think the boy in question would probably have done something stupid even if he wasnt listening to horrorcore....


BUT generally speaking, i think there comes a point when people have to hold their hands up and say, this shit can be pretty dangerous

the amount of times ive seen little white kids trying to be eminem is ridiculous, the amount of times ive seen black kids tryina be 50cent.......
which, in the case of the black community all leads in to "the minstrel show" effect, of black people creating guns and drugs stories for entertainment, in turn the black youth copy that blah blah blah


people say "well everyone said rock n roll would make people act crazy and we turned out just fine"

but wait, are we "just fine" ?

will the next generation be "just fine"?

[xeno6919]

I dunno, I say that music\video games\or whatever outside contributor being blamed for making teens violent is stupid, it is just a way to blame bad parenting on something else. It is like trying to mask the truth that parents can't handle their kids, so they find the next thing to pin it on. Because violence has always been around, before there were video games, before there was "horrorcore" rap, or any kind of rap.

If you have "common sense", then you know that when you see violence in music\games that it is generic, maybe that is just me.

[stereoblind]

I dunno bout anyone else but this thread is the first time I have ever heard the term "horrorcore" used and not describing the Danzig Misfits. But dang, apparently Jesus told him to do it. That's odd, someone singing about how he kills/has the will to kill and Jesus is telling him to kill. Sounds a little offbeat to me. He knew what he was doing.

[greddie]

man i never even heard of horrercore, the fact that it even exists is a bit bizzare to me, i had a listen to that tune and some of his other ones, its proper rubbish imo. the lyrics are amusing actually. lol.
also the name Farmville cracks me up, cos it pretty sure thats the name of some lame ass game my sister and a bunch of people of facebook seem to be hooked on as a time waster, plus it sounds pretty backward

there is no way anyone can defend this kid, he was gonna do this anyway, regardless of what music he listened to, some people are born directional, i cant remember the name of teh study i read, but it suggested people who are wrong enough to murder people (multiple) in a deranged way are general born that way and would probably end up doing it anyway. regardless of external influences.
the cops dont say how he did it so it must have been pretty twisted, his lust for death and pain would have imo been what lead him to listen to horrorcore cos he could relate to it. rather than the horrorcore leading to his actions

xeno is right, if u have a single iota of common sense you can see the difference between a game/music/film and real life and can see that murder etc is wrong.

people as a whole are neither fine or unfine, its just changes in the social norm which evolve and change with time. whats is deemed devient in one time period/generation will be seen as ok in others. so people going nuts on rock n roll was one degree of deviancy which is now deemed old/acceptable/a generational thing. there will always be a new level of deviancy emerging with every generation.

but it is unfair to try and pin something like that on a musical genre, blame lands soley on the person who commited the crime unless they are mentaly unsound, then it might be a different matter.

[xeno6919]

Only reason I heard of Horrorcore was because of ICP and Twiztid, aren't they considered Horrorcore..

[stereoblind]

Only reason I heard of Horrorcore was because of ICP and Twiztid, aren't they considered Horrorcore..

i listen to both and haven't ever even heard that term used in a hip/hop or rap sort of way.

[xeno6919]

i listen to both and haven't ever even heard that term used in a hip/hop or rap sort of way.

Twiztid is an American hip hop duo from Warren, Michigan. The group is composed of Jamie Spaniolo and Paul Methric, who perform under the respective personas of Jamie Madrox and Monoxide. Twiztid performs a style of hardcore hip hop known as horrorcore, and have released seven studio albums, one extended play and three compilations.

hehehe, pwned :)

jk buddy

[stereoblind]

Lmao
you're ridiculous.
I still can't believe the dude used the jesus line. aha

[xeno6919]

so people going nuts on rock n roll was one degree of deviancy which is now deemed old/acceptable/a generational thing. there will always be a new level of deviancy emerging with every generation.
Exactly, look at Elvis for example. I mean I wasn't alive when he was first starting to be famous or whatever, but I have seen on documentaries\movies\shows that he was not popular at all with parents because he moved his hips in a "sexual manner". If you look at it now, with the kind of stuff we grow up with its really kind of hilarious.

[xeno6919]

Lmao
you're ridiculous.
I still can't believe the dude used the jesus line. aha

I bet he is just doing it to get an insanity plea.

[stereoblind]

Exactly, look at Elvis for example. I mean I wasn't alive when he was first starting to be famous or whatever, but I have seen on documentaries\movies\shows that he was not popular at all with parents because he moved his hips in a "sexual manner". If you look at it now, with the kind of stuff we grow up with its really kind of hilarious.


If you're horny, let's do it. Ride it; My pony.
My saddle's waiting, come and jump on it.


Confirmed. Solid Point.
Lmao

[xeno6919]

Confirmed. Solid Point.
Lmao

Haha, stay close to me young one, you will learn plenty.

[greddie]

yeah, and people like the sex pistols were chastised for being unruly in their day.

that kid should be locked up and friend.

i have heard of ICP but wouldnt have classsed it as hororcore.... well the reason i wouldnt have is cos i didnt know it existed lol

[shifted]

He will plead insanity... then you will see everyone starting up saying "Hip-Hop is bad" and etc.

All complete bullshit, just like when GTA came out and there was a kid who killed a couple people.

If you are dumb enough, and lack the common sense to realise the difference between reality and the generic, that shows you lack the mental capacity to be part of civilised society. The game or song may have triggered you to do what you would have done later on anyway, the brain is an amazing tool, but you gotta understand that peoples brains do differ, and the brain of a sociopath is different to that of what is considered a "normal" human-being. The lack of simple chemicals and proteins in a brains development, and general process power when completely formed is a huge deal, people gotta understand that by missing certain proteins/chemicals, your ability to rationalise, be moral and etc. can be compromised...

If this guy killed people and is going to blame it on music, it is no different to a lot of other people that have done it before... but he would have done it anyway regardless..

[kenz]

this thread was designed to create debate and im glad it did, this forum been dead lol

i agree for the most part that people who kill have it in their system already and 9/10 would kill anyways



so lets look at the black community then.....
and ive learnt sociology n psychology in college so i know a bit about how important the family is, the direct consequence of not having a strong father figure and so on....

kids lookin up to succeful, rich rappers like jay-z and 50 cent who brag of "bodyin niggas" and "selling drugs"

tupac himself admitted that rap, to him made up for the lack of a father in his life, and actually became his father figure.....he listened to them like that....
in essence the rappers like big daddy kane, rakim etc from he 80s were telling him how to live his life......back then them rappers werent really talkin about killing......
but since then rappers have been talking that way........

most white middle class people from the suburbs (who have a stable life) wont be affected by music in this way....
(as ive already said the boy in this case was already crazy)

but youth in the ghetto, who need that father figure and have nothing else will be affected in this way

if you need evidence, all you need to look at is the black community in london and britain, (which i have and do do) in the past 10 years, it has gone crazy.......stabbing went through the roof a couple of years back and gun crime is at its highest too
all in direct relation to the popularity of grime.


btw horrorcore is mainly shit........but esham is good, he invented it and imo is one of the only people from that genre with much credibility....
along with necro, ill bill and them (who i dont listen to, but i know they aint shit)

[kenz]

Exactly, look at Elvis for example. I mean I wasn't alive when he was first starting to be famous or whatever, but I have seen on documentaries\movies\shows that he was not popular at all with parents because he moved his hips in a "sexual manner". If you look at it now, with the kind of stuff we grow up with its really kind of hilarious.

its not hilarious...
elvis started it, and now in the west we have pussycat dolls, who sell sex to underage kids.....
and now in britain we have the highest rate of underage pregnancy in europe
dont you see the connections?


someone has to start an idea.......ideas dont just come out of nowhere, they evolve like humans.........so you may laugh at elvis girating, but that was the birth of an idea........

[Kenshi]

wow i missed a lot on this thread, kinda busy now so i can only post a little. but i do think the music on the radio is responsible in a way for the mindset of kids. certain kids tho, it is often kids of the ghetto or kids who only listen to rap music, which tends to primarily be black youth. because a lot of white youth yeah they listen to little wayne but they also listen to panic and the disco. but it makes teens think it is "cool" to be hard. its cool to want to fight and to not take any shit, going deeper not happening in the suburbs much but kids thinking its cool to shoot people and do drive bys. i dont think games and movies influence like music does tho, because everyone knows the games and movies are fake, but rappers play off their music like that is what they REALLY do and that is what is cool. at homecoming the other week the whole gym was singing the words "all i wanna do is *bang* bang* bang* bang* and take your money" the words might be a little different but it is some girl singing it, i was appalled at how many people thought that shit was cool that they would be singing it aloud like that, it was really the whole group of students yelling it. horrorcore has a lot of bad artists IMO i only listen to necro from that genre because he's got some skills, never heard esham tho ive heard good of him, and i dont consider ill bill horrorcore, horrorcore i think in a way is like movies or games tho, people know its not serious, its too extreme and doesnt make sense to be serious. but people can relate more to someone on the radio saying they will shoot you and take your money, because they want money. but like what mega says it also greatly has to do with parenting. i grew up listening to rap in my early teens but i knew what was right and what was wrong, tho at the time i admit i thought fighting and not taking shit was cool i still never did it cuz i was taught from very young that it wasn't right

damn that shit is long and i didnt even say everything

[xeno6919]

its not hilarious...
elvis started it, and now in the west we have pussycat dolls, who sell sex to underage kids.....
and now in britain we have the highest rate of underage pregnancy in europe
dont you see the connections?


someone has to start an idea.......ideas dont just come out of nowhere, they evolve like humans.........so you may laugh at elvis girating, but that was the birth of an idea........

It is hilarious when you compare what he was being chastised for to what is considered "bad" in today's age, is what I was saying. It is not like it started solely with just Elvis anyways.

[greddie]

its like the whole weed thing

people blame it for psychosis etc, but its only people who would have got it anyway, the weed just hurries it up.

[greddie]

im glad i had a good up bringing, i listened to rap from a reasonably ealry age, snoop was my first probably and he was talking all gangsta about shooting and drugs n shit and i have never shot anyone or even thought about it, i guess ur right, it does have a lot to do with how ir bought up to.

[shifted]

this thread was designed to create debate and im glad it did, this forum been dead lol

i agree for the most part that people who kill have it in their system already and 9/10 would kill anyways



so lets look at the black community then.....
and ive learnt sociology n psychology in college so i know a bit about how important the family is, the direct consequence of not having a strong father figure and so on....

kids lookin up to succeful, rich rappers like jay-z and 50 cent who brag of "bodyin niggas" and "selling drugs"

tupac himself admitted that rap, to him made up for the lack of a father in his life, and actually became his father figure.....he listened to them like that....
in essence the rappers like big daddy kane, rakim etc from he 80s were telling him how to live his life......back then them rappers werent really talkin about killing......
but since then rappers have been talking that way........

most white middle class people from the suburbs (who have a stable life) wont be affected by music in this way....
(as ive already said the boy in this case was already crazy)

but youth in the ghetto, who need that father figure and have nothing else will be affected in this way

if you need evidence, all you need to look at is the black community in london and britain, (which i have and do do) in the past 10 years, it has gone crazy.......stabbing went through the roof a couple of years back and gun crime is at its highest too
all in direct relation to the popularity of grime.


btw horrorcore is mainly shit........but esham is good, he invented it and imo is one of the only people from that genre with much credibility....
along with necro, ill bill and them (who i dont listen to, but i know they aint shit)

Just in point with father figures....

My dad was away constantly for work until I was about 15/16. This means, I would only see him maybe 4-5 weeks of the year all up, I felt I lacked having a father figure for a while, I am not saying I have had an upbringing where my father just disappeared but what I am saying is:

If a human being has no real father due to abandonment or whatever, they have a choice! They can become their own father figure, they can find a father figure (it is amazing how quickly a wealthy person - remember wealthy does not necessarily mean money wise, could be family relationships etc. - will aide someone who asks them to be their mentor, I have had heaps of mentors in my life, and even now, have a couple that are helping me learn business and real estate basics).

The choice is up to the individual, music is only viable when it is representing what is happening now in society, that is why it is a commercial success because people believe they are living the life of the "rapper" (I will not say artist because I believe any rapper talking about bling and money and slapping girls and shooting people and all that crap is a damn waste of space on this Earth, and should not be considered artists for their lack of ingenuity when it comes to creating music.) The rapper will only display what people want to hear, all they did was jump on the bandwagon, and that's why people relate to it, it started small (crime and such) and now blew out of proportion, the music and the society are feeding each other with the same BS, if they were smart, they would realise that if they want to hear something different, and change their views on society, that type of music won't exist anymore, no one would listen to the wankers talking that crap.

I made the wrong choice when I was younger, I went down a destructive path and got myself arrested and thrown out of school, but damn man, when you see how much you have hurt people, and their disappointment in you, and how quickly you LOSE EVERYTHING, it opens your eyes man, makes you mature instantly in realisation that you live the life you want to live, no one will change it for you...

So if you want to live the better life (and I don't care if you live in the Ghetto, or up in some swanky apartment) you gotta do it for yourself, no one will do it for you...

So if a kid in the Ghetto decides to do whatever he does, he has to understand it is his choice, and for each choice their are consequences. I was lucky mine were not severe but they could have been much worse later on down the track had it not happened to me when it did...

So these kids can blame not having father figures and etc in their life, but I say, stop giving us that BULLSHIT EXCUSE. No one will do shit for you in life, you gotta do it yourself, people come and go in your life based on what you do, we all resonate on different frequencies and our friends are only our friends when we stay on that frequency, mature the fuck up and realise that the music IS NOT REAL, just a COMPLETE COMMERCIAL IDEAL which is MEANINGLESS and has no ESSENCE.

If you take the words of the music as reality, then you better be ready to live that life my friend, but don't blame anyone but yourself, you dad is not in the picture for a reason, and that is for you to man the fuck up, get mature, and realise that you gotta do it yourself, you have to be the one who breaks the cycle...

People don't realise, but in this world, love is plentiful, and I am going to say this based on two years of my personal development work... A parent can only possess and display the same amount of love they received as a child, which means if the father's father was out of the picture, for him, that is the only thing he too can provide because he feels that is the best way to display the love for the child, maybe because his relationship with his mum, or siblings was were he got the most love, which means the cycle will only continue over and over until someone breaks the cycle, and the only way to break the cycle is to realise how important it is to make something of your life yourself, expand your own consciousness, no one will do it for you...

Oh, and you gotta be fucken grateful dude. If your not grateful for what you already have, you won't b going any better, and you will lose it all from under your feet... Be grateful for what you already have, cos regardless how hard stuff may seem, look for the positive and negatives of it, and look at it all from a neutral perspective, because there is always too sides to everything.

[kenz]

Just in point with father figures....

My dad was away constantly for work until I was about 15/16. This means, I would only see him maybe 4-5 weeks of the year all up, I felt I lacked having a father figure for a while, I am not saying I have had an upbringing where my father just disappeared but what I am saying is:

If a human being has no real father due to abandonment or whatever, they have a choice! They can become their own father figure, they can find a father figure (it is amazing how quickly a wealthy person - remember wealthy does not necessarily mean money wise, could be family relationships etc. - will aide someone who asks them to be their mentor, I have had heaps of mentors in my life, and even now, have a couple that are helping me learn business and real estate basics).

The choice is up to the individual, music is only viable when it is representing what is happening now in society, that is why it is a commercial success because people believe they are living the life of the "rapper" (I will not say artist because I believe any rapper talking about bling and money and slapping girls and shooting people and all that crap is a damn waste of space on this Earth, and should not be considered artists for their lack of ingenuity when it comes to creating music.) The rapper will only display what people want to hear, all they did was jump on the bandwagon, and that's why people relate to it, it started small (crime and such) and now blew out of proportion, the music and the society are feeding each other with the same BS, if they were smart, they would realise that if they want to hear something different, and change their views on society, that type of music won't exist anymore, no one would listen to the wankers talking that crap.

I made the wrong choice when I was younger, I went down a destructive path and got myself arrested and thrown out of school, but damn man, when you see how much you have hurt people, and their disappointment in you, and how quickly you LOSE EVERYTHING, it opens your eyes man, makes you mature instantly in realisation that you live the life you want to live, no one will change it for you...

So if you want to live the better life (and I don't care if you live in the Ghetto, or up in some swanky apartment) you gotta do it for yourself, no one will do it for you...

So if a kid in the Ghetto decides to do whatever he does, he has to understand it is his choice, and for each choice their are consequences. I was lucky mine were not severe but they could have been much worse later on down the track had it not happened to me when it did...

So these kids can blame not having father figures and etc in their life, but I say, stop giving us that BULLSHIT EXCUSE. No one will do shit for you in life, you gotta do it yourself, people come and go in your life based on what you do, we all resonate on different frequencies and our friends are only our friends when we stay on that frequency, mature the fuck up and realise that the music IS NOT REAL, just a COMPLETE COMMERCIAL IDEAL which is MEANINGLESS and has no ESSENCE.

If you take the words of the music as reality, then you better be ready to live that life my friend, but don't blame anyone but yourself, you dad is not in the picture for a reason, and that is for you to man the fuck up, get mature, and realise that you gotta do it yourself, you have to be the one who breaks the cycle...

People don't realise, but in this world, love is plentiful, and I am going to say this based on two years of my personal development work... A parent can only possess and display the same amount of love they received as a child, which means if the father's father was out of the picture, for him, that is the only thing he too can provide because he feels that is the best way to display the love for the child, maybe because his relationship with his mum, or siblings was were he got the most love, which means the cycle will only continue over and over until someone breaks the cycle, and the only way to break the cycle is to realise how important it is to make something of your life yourself, expand your own consciousness, no one will do it for you...

Oh, and you gotta be fucken grateful dude. If your not grateful for what you already have, you won't b going any better, and you will lose it all from under your feet... Be grateful for what you already have, cos regardless how hard stuff may seem, look for the positive and negatives of it, and look at it all from a neutral perspective, because there is always too sides to everything.

i hope you dont think im talkin bout me in this thread? lol cos i aint.....
but nice post, but im not really sure of the relevance... but nice all the same lol
im talking about examining thousands or millions of people
you are talking of a case study of one person
doesnt really work like that........
imagine if we based all sociological fact off of studies performed on one person lol

ihave plenty of posh friends who grew up with no dad, at least 50% of marriages end in divorce, thats not the whole point.........
its combination of things; no father figure, no real aspirations, not as many 'life chances' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_chances
the 'glass ceiling effect' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_ceiling
i could go on........
this all adds up, these people are easily influenced, black, white hispanic, whatever.......its not a race thing
besides, ive already witnessed it happen in london

your answer of "anyone can change themselves" is right,
but its a very generic answer and unlikely to happen
there are many factors to consider

[shifted]

I am not saying that mega, and trust me, mine is not "one case."

There are about 4-5 people that I know myself that have had the same thing happen... and out of the groups they know, a fair few more...

I am not saying this is the only case, there are obviously thousands more possibilities, but in terms of what people see after and where it leads.

I began to listen to Hip-Hop when I was like 12ish and I love the music (the good stuff of course, non of that shit you hear commercially) but I guess I saw it in a different light, I didn't take the words for reality.

Anyway, I forgot the point I was going to make (I have had a little to drink) so I am not gonna write anymore cos it probably won't make any sense and I will just blab on and yada yada yada you know?

Peaceeee

[Kenshi]

posted by shifted
So these kids can blame not having father figures and etc in their life, but I say, stop giving us that BULLSHIT EXCUSE. No one will do shit for you in life, you gotta do it yourself, people come and go in your life based on what you do, we all resonate on different frequencies and our friends are only our friends when we stay on that frequency, mature the fuck up and realise that the music IS NOT REAL, just a COMPLETE COMMERCIAL IDEAL which is MEANINGLESS and has no ESSENCE.

If you take the words of the music as reality, then you better be ready to live that life my friend, but don't blame anyone but yourself, you dad is not in the picture for a reason, and that is for you to man the fuck up, get mature, and realise that you gotta do it yourself, you have to be the one who breaks the cycle...

People don't realise, but in this world, love is plentiful, and I am going to say this based on two years of my personal development work... A parent can only possess and display the same amount of love they received as a child, which means if the father's father was out of the picture, for him, that is the only thing he too can provide because he feels that is the best way to display the love for the child, maybe because his relationship with his mum, or siblings was were he got the most love, which means the cycle will only continue over and over until someone breaks the cycle, and the only way to break the cycle is to realise how important it is to make something of your life yourself, expand your own consciousness, no one will do it for you...

Oh, and you gotta be fucken grateful dude. If your not grateful for what you already have, you won't b going any better, and you will lose it all from under your feet... Be grateful for what you already have, cos regardless how hard stuff may seem, look for the positive and negatives of it, and look at it all from a neutral perspective, because there is always too sides to everything.

i really don't hear to many kids blaming their missing dad for their mistakes, but if so that is ridiculous, the only time i have heard anyone say anything about their missing father figure causing problems is after they have straitened up, matured and fixed the problem them selves. the resonance on frequency statement was great, perfect way to put it, never heard it put better. because as i matured and became more responsible i drifted from my older friends, who are still just smoking weed all day and doing nothing with their lives. we hang every once in a while, but only to party or something we dont chill like we used to. a lot of the kids and teens tho, they think the music is real. they want money and they hear the words "hustle, steal, rob, deal" when in reality they should be thinking, "college, career, perseverance, persistence" but the rappers are the role models for many and they don't teach this. there are the kids who are around the type of people who live what the rappers say and are influenced, but the ones who are not around it become influenced by the songs. i dont agree on the parents displaying what they received, because it can also go opposite. my dad's parents were not good to him, so in return he vowed to not be like him, to make our child hood better than his.

good post shifted you always got some good points to say

[Dazzla]

LMAO 4 PEOPLES

horrorcore is awesome but this dude is shit and ginger... the real horrorcore is from Memphis, three 6 mafia (before they won that academy award...) koopsta knicca and lord infamous when they were in 3-6, and u got ppl like tommy wright III, the whole ten wanted men & manson family, frayser click, 196 clique, evil pimp, krucifix klan, mr sche, al kapone, gangsta pat, kingpin skinny pimp, playa fly & also prophet posse, the kaze, M-Child, MC Mack.

outside memphis there Ganksta nip(the creator of horrorcore) gravediggaz, techn9ne, esham, brotha lynch hung and EMINEM LOL

[Cacteur]

Same ol' same ol' eh? :^_^:

Someone tried to sue the Stones for Satanic Majesties for causing a kid to suicide in the sixties. Killing Yourself To Live by Sabbath was another one in the 70's, (in America of course) it always happens.

There is a very simple scientific way of analysing cause and effect. If a single person listens to, or is involved in a certain type of music and doesn't turn into a psychopath, then the causal effect is totally eliminated. Capiche? :pirate:

Edit: Just reading more of the thread. To me that applies to all aspects of social analysis. Sure, many kids from broken families and bad hoods come out on the wrong side of the tracks, but if a single one doesn't, then the effect of those environments can not be said to be a given.

I mean... look at me. Eldest of five kids raised by a hard drinkin' solo Mum, mixed race, roughest hood in New Zealand, and yet I'm fucking gorgeous.... eh? :winner:

[kenz]

i understand what yoru saying, both you and shifted

but the effects of music on culture has already been proven
its already happened recently in london, i dont know what else i can say lol

[Cacteur]

The effects of music on culture? ... or culture on music? ;)

I can see the connection mega, that is obvious to me, but to prove a legal liability, you would have to show that the pathological outcome of listening to this music is inevitable.

It is not. A person's psychological nature is a complex thing, and unlikely to have a single source. While a certain music may trigger, or even encourage a certain behaviour in a person, if it does not do that to all people, it is scientifically disproven.

There is also, as my first sentence suggests, the possibility that people with a fascination for certain pathological behaviour are creating the music in the first place, and so, the pathology creates the music, not the other way around. People don't run around blowing up horses when they see Pablo Picasso's "Guernica" mural. :invis:


It's a mistake we humans make a lot. Maori make up about %15 of NZ's population, but %60 of NZ's prison population. To be concerned about such a state, and want to do something to change it is good. To then go on and assume all Maori will likely end up in prison is when we cross the line from statistical science, to eugenic mumbo-jumbo... :pirate: :trustme:

Peace on y'all now... :invis:

[Dazzla]

LOL 4 people tho, thats shit, if you want respect you need to kill about 11 or 12 people

[Cacteur]

LOL 4 people tho, thats shit, if you want respect you need to kill about 11 or 12 people

Fuck you a hard playa Dazza. :cool: Where you ride brah? :invis:

[kuul]

cant blame music, if you raised undisciplined dumbasses, they end up falling for anything, its like would you let someone you just met on the internet lecture kids on the real world...prolly not...so why let musicians do that its well known that musicians arent very practical thinkers anyway...shit i dont even let my son watch the disney channel, if you pay attention its some real bullshit on there